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Suffolk Notebook: Legislature Takes on Prepaid Cell Phones

Prepaid cell phone registration bill gets out of public safety committee, lag payroll proposals fail to gather support, and more.

The Suffolk County Legislature held committee meetings this week. A general meeting of the legislature will be held on Tuesday in Hauppauge. Here is a recap of a few items coming out of the committees. For marked agendas on the committee meetings, click here

Prepaid Cell Phone Registration Bill Gets Out of Committee

A bill sponsored by Legislator Kate Browning, WF-Shirley, which would require individuals to present photo identification when purchasing prepaid cell phones, is expected to be voted on Tuesday after making it out of the Public Safety Committee.

The legislature heard close to an hour of public comments on the bill at the last Suffolk County Legislature meeting on May 10. Supporters of the bill cited that prepaid cell phones are easily usable for individuals conducting illegal activities, while opponents stated that another group of individuals who often use the phones - immigrants - may be too afraid to offer up photo identification.

Lag Payroll Bills Stay in Committee

Three lag-payroll proposals for county employees, all introduced by Legislator Jon Cooper, D-Lloyd Harbor, failed to get out of committee at Monday's Budget and Finance Committee meeting. Two proposals, including one lag-payroll proposal for elected officials, were tabled until the committee's next meeting. Legislators Ed Romaine, R-Center Moriches, and Tom Muratore, R-Ronkonkoma, voted against tabling both measures. The lag payrolls were introduced by Cooper as to help close a projected $180 budget shortfall in the coming fiscal year.

Sex Offender Trailers Staying Open and in Southampton

Two efforts by South Fork Legislator Jay Schneiderman, I-Montauk, to close two homeless sex-offender trailers in Southampton within 15 days of the bills' signings were both tabled in the health and human services committee.

Nearly three months ago the legislature overrode County Executive Steve Levy's veto to sustain a measure which would call for a private contractor to operate a new plan for the roughly 25 to 30 homeless sex offenders in the county. However the trailers remain open, prompting Schneiderman's attempts to demand closing them.

County Offering Grants to Draw Film Industry

The county's economic development, higher education and energy committee has suggested using part of the proceeds of an increased hotel/motel tax – approved roughly two years ago, and protested by many East Enders in the hospitality business at the time –  to attempt lure filmmakers to Suffolk County. 

Nearly $20,000 was unanimously approved by the committee to be spent on three separate grants of $6,000 a piece on films, of which  50 percent must be shot in Suffolk County. 

The Suffolk County Planning Commission voted unanimously to approve a zone change for Huntington Station's AvalonBay plan, a project that would create nearly 400 residential units on a 26-acre parcel. The plan has created quite a stir in Huntington. Read Huntington Patch for more information.

Dan Brooks June 5, 2011 at 03:02 pm
Connecting a prepaid cell phone to anyone is accountability and may help any investigation. Great idea. Again Suffolk leading the way.
Mary Beth June 5, 2011 at 03:32 pm
Terrible legislation. An invasion of personal freedoms.
JSC June 5, 2011 at 05:49 pm
There are two other classses of people who use the prepaid cellphones!
1) Those of us regular legal citizens who don't want to pay $100 a month for a cellphone that is hardly ever used! I carry mine around turned off 95% of the time. Only use it for emergencies generally. 2) Senior citizens use them! Again, because they are cheap and only for emergencies.
Mo Neill June 5, 2011 at 06:36 pm
What sheer nonsense. Kate Browning is trying to score cheap political points knowing full well anti-immigrant sentiment under guise of law and order raised Levy's visibility and popularity. Like Levy, Kate seems to be without any qualms about inciting bias and even hatred by this harassing proposal targeting immigrants and presupposing they are criminal just so she can reap the low hanging political fruits to advance her ambitions. She ought to learn what it means to be an American where liberty and freedom trumps convenience any time, no matter how comfortably it might possibly serve police. This is big brother at its most fundamental meaning. It is outrageous that I should have to prove I will not use a cell phone to commit a crime, let alone prove my identity to make a phone call, because Kate Browning seeks to ingratiate herself with those who would trample on our Constitution for some bizarre belief that presenting a photo ID would be any kind of deterrent, let alone an obstacle to plan or commit a crime. A friend toldl me that she supposes if you grew up in Northern Ireland decades ago, it might seem natural law you can propose legislation in the Stormount that discriminates against those who do not share your beliiefs as was the case for centuries, in the firm belief that Catholics were without loyalty to the state, even treasonous outsiders trying to populate the state to demographically overwheolm the Prots..
Thomas J. Kehoe June 5, 2011 at 09:27 pm
Another example of Government trying to regulate aspects of life that are none of their business.
Mo Neill June 5, 2011 at 10:01 pm
Indeed, Bluedog. I agree. If I phone you using my prepaid cell phone in the midst of a bank robbery that would be accountable and may help the investigation, say if I had a cell phone that took pictures or video of what you were doing. Yeah, what great ideas you come up with. Wouldn't it be better to raise the penalities to life imprisonment for anyone caught using, transporting, selling or carrying a gun illegally? That would probably be more effective than requiring photo id to buy a cell phone or use email or mail a letter at the post office, don't you think? Without guns, terrorists might not have so easy a time as they do now with a prepaid phone card. 75% of robberies would not occur as well as a lot less suicide and murder too. Why we don't even demand 2 photo ID for buying a 50 caliber rifle that were built for shooting enemy airplanes out of the skies. A terrorist can walk into any gunshow on Long Island and buy a 50 caliber rifle and amno and sit in a parked car near LaGuardia and bring down an airline without having to produce 2 photo IDs, with a excellent chance of getting away undected..
Mo Neill June 5, 2011 at 10:27 pm
Gregory, you are a spot on. I had several women call me when I had a prepaid phone who spoke Russian and then they later became prostitutes. With Kiss me Kate's law, we could have had them arrested. To oppose this practical proposed law is to condone unauthorized immigration and free love, even if you do pay for it. I don't think we should facilitate Russian prostitution with letting anyone willy-nilly. or none, profit from a promiscuous policy of easy access to phones, paid monthly or prepaid.
David D'Agostino June 5, 2011 at 10:56 pm
This is one of those issues on which libertarians and progressives can find common ground. Mary Beth is correct, this legislation is a violation of personal freedoms and Mo got it right, Ms. Browning is trying to score cheap points ala Levy.
Greg Martinez June 5, 2011 at 11:58 pm
These pre-pay phones are indeed very good for those who do not use phones much, but need them for rare calls or emergencies. Particularly useful for senior citizens. But, guess what, if they are citizens or legal residents, they have ID. If you do not want too have to identify who you are you have the freedom do go live out in the woods, mountains, or deserts, and live-off-the-land. There are responsibilities to living in a society, including not being a criminal or illegal alien (actually, that is kind of redundent, an illegal alien is a criminal). Many libertarians and liberals I am sure oppose this law. I am neither. I am a conservative.
MARTIN DREW June 6, 2011 at 12:46 pm
Italy has rules that govern phone use ; having to show ID to make a phone call ; in a public phone center .
Big brother keeping an eye on everyone there.
David D'Agostino June 6, 2011 at 02:26 pm
Fact: Tens of millions of LEGAL Americans have not a single form of photo identification. From Citizens Without Proof,
"A recent national survey sponsored by the Brennan Center for Justice at NYU School of Law reveals that millions of American citizens do not have readily available documentary proof of citizenship. Many more – primarily women – do not have proof of citizenship with their current name. The survey also showed that millions of American citizens do not have government-issued photo identification, such as a driver’s license or passport. Finally, the survey demonstrated that certain groups – primarily poor, elderly, and minority citizens – are less likely to possess these forms of documentation than the general population." They did this research to fight the photo-id requirement for voting, but it applies here as well.
Greg Martinez June 6, 2011 at 02:30 pm
Since someone brought it up, I do think it should be law that too vote you should be able to prove who you are. Voter fraud is not unheard of in the USA. If you do not want to have ID to prove your a legit US citizen, then fine, do not vote.
Mo Neill June 6, 2011 at 04:22 pm
Greg,
You've revealed the real reason for support of this absurd law: disdain for immigrants & a very old vengence against them reaching its height in the American Patriot Party, aka the Know Nothings, formed in 1848. They have been the largest 3rd Party in American history, taking over the legislatures in several states including PA & MA, electing many to Congress. They opposed immigration, because it was well known that Papists could never become real Americans. Their loyalty was to the Vatican, not the US Constitution. Not only were Catholics constitutionally unable to understand democracy, they refused to assimilate into American culture. The prime example were the hordes of Irish who came here to take American jobs and lower the wages of workers, because they were savages who would work for next to nothing as they lived in overcrowed slums, drank all day, danced all night and fornicated incessently like animals, having babies they didnt take care of. They were an amoral criminal people the English had amply proved were incapable of being civilized, prone to violence. refusing to learn from patient English aristocrats how a Christian lives in society. Italians, like Latinos, wern't even white! If you think I am exaggerating, please go back and read their litterature and sympathetic newspaper accounts of these true Americans. Between 1850 to 1855, 28 Irish Catholics were lynched in San Francisco by mobs wanting only to protect their property, wives & children from rape.
Mo Neill June 6, 2011 at 04:48 pm
Greg
your facts are wrong too. I do not have a photo ID like hundreds of thousands, if not millions of NYers without drivers’ licenses. But you’re a real American who tells me I have the freedom to go live in the woods, thanks. I do, but you want to ban me having a cell phone without 2 photo IDs. “An illegal alien. . . is a criminal” is not factual. Driving over 55 mph on the LIE is against the law, & you as a responsible person living in society would never do that of course. If you lost all sense & were stopped by police for speeding, you would be issued a ticket to appear in court or send in a fixed fine. At no point in the process, from scoff law speeding to disposition, does that make you a criminal & no person is an illegal being. Being out of status with immigration is a misdemeanor, a scoff law, not a criminal act. That is why conservatives in Congress attempted to make being here out of status a felony, several yrs running, , but were defeated by a large majority each time. I believe you are a typical conservative who is in favor of our Constitution only when it conveniently corresponds with yr opinion, or can chuck it at whim, like declaring children born here of undocumented parents not to be citizens. Conservatives who rail against too much government & big brother are hypocrites when they mostly want to grow them, unless the gov wants people to pay their taxes or regulate banks & Wall St. or enforce worker safety or a slew of right wing shibboleths .
Cathy June 6, 2011 at 05:09 pm
I do not like illegal immigration at all, government do your job and enforce the laws that are allready on the books.
As for prepaid phones, leave them alone. It is not the governments job to regulate every nuance of our lives. I like to know I can go by buy a phone that cannot be traced. I do nothing illegal
David D'Agostino June 6, 2011 at 05:15 pm
Fact: Tens of millions of LEGAL Americans have not a single form of photo identification.
Mo Neill June 6, 2011 at 06:26 pm
Cathy,
I do not understand why you would like to hurt yourself, your family & our community by causing our economy to tank so badly, the present downturn would look like we are in clover. Without immigrants on LI we would be in terrible shape. Don't take my word for it, but learn what scholars who have researched & investigated facts as they will give you an inkling of just how much we are so luckly to have immigrants. Without immigrants, the exodus of population from LI, going on for 15 yrs, would have left us in even worse and have had no chance of compensating for that drain of young educated people just starting out in the prime of their productive years & after spending large amounts on their education. In fact, immigrants grew our population by a positive small percentage. My father was an "illegal"immigrant, who lived in fear most all his adult life he would be caught, while he worked hard, 2 jobs, to provide for our family, it took him 25 yrs to finally earn a green card. It is not easy to live under such phychological stress and incessant worry, always looking around to see what's there over the shoulder. Becoming a person who is in status with immigration is not a one shot application. It is an arduous, long process that can be blocked for long periods at a time. Right now the average time is 12 yrs not so long ago. Unlike you I like immigrants, of whom many are friends, people I admire & respect. U.S. history is a history of immigration; it is our heart & soul
Greg Martinez June 6, 2011 at 06:46 pm
As a conservative I believe in law-and-order. The union of the United States was created after the Revolution to prevent conflict between the states AND to protect all the states from external threats. A nation without borders is an anarchy not a nation. All one has to do is read the United States Constitution. Crossing borders without the permission of the nation-state leads to crime, disorder, and violence (witness the crime and gang activity that many illegals are associated with). Witness the violence on the border with Mexico. The civil war in Mexico between the drug-cartels and the Mexican government is bleeding across the border into Texas & neighboring states. Kidnapping, murder, and chaos. Legal immigration is NOT illegal immigration. Equating the two is a demagogic debating tactic of the open-borders movement.
There is also La Raza which is a threat to the southwestern states of the United States: http://www.humanevents.com/article.php?id=13863 Legal immigration has always been good for America. Illegal immigration is a threat to America. If you help illegal aliens remain in the United States you are aiding-and-abetting in criminal activity and should also be prosecuted. We are a nation of laws and not of men.
Greg Martinez June 6, 2011 at 06:51 pm
BTW. Am I suspicious of anyone who has no form of identification? Damn right I am!
Mo Neill June 6, 2011 at 07:02 pm
oops that jumped out of my intention. I had meant to leave a link to one study:
http://www.hagedornfoundation.org/downloads/HispanicImpactJournal_vF3.pdf
Mary Beth June 6, 2011 at 07:42 pm
Mr. Martinez, So you'd be suspicious of the little, old white lady up the street whose family has been here since the 1800's but who never got a driver's license or a passport because she never needed one? Should she not be able to vote or own a prepaid phone because of the unfounded "suspicions" of her paranoid neighbors? Your fear of immigrants is irrational. This proposed legislation is anti-American in its scope and would do absolutely nothing to slow crime.
Greg Martinez June 6, 2011 at 11:36 pm
I was a state investigator for 30 years until I retired in Jan. From my experience, age does not lead to honesty or dishonesty. If your honest all your life you will be honest if your 80 years old. If you were of criminal bent all your life, becoming 80 years old will not change your behavior (maybe just slow you down). Also, it is not uncommon for criminals to take advantage of honest elderly people. If a drug dealer or terrorist uses a 90 year old too buy a Tracfone your darn right I think the police should be able to ask the senior who the phone went too.
Regarding economics, illegals are beneficial to some large corporate interests. A large illegal working population also suppresses wages of citizens and legal immigrants. Illegals also burden our emergencies rooms and school districts. Bottom-line, it is time for Americans too wake up and defend their own country.
Mo Neill June 7, 2011 at 05:04 am
good Lord, Gregory, each successive post you make gets more bizarre. Because of your outsized distaste of immigrants, you are ever more willing to jettison the Constitutional rights of everybody to exact yr vengence against these people who are hard working, good neighbors who have saved our butts on LI and many other localities. What a fine specimen of a 19th C Know Nothing you are, Greg, thoroughly indoctrinated in an ideology of innate superiority of patriotic European descendents of immigrants since the Mayflower, right up to this very day.. It is evident the very last thing you want is that those you like to call illegal be given the opportunity to become "legal" that you have proclaimed to be yr grand concern. Poseur. It is not illegality or legality that moves you to such hate and disdain of immigrants. Your patriotic piety is a sham as you are so adament in choosing to make mockery of our Constitution that you so readily dismiss as standing in the way of a national need for vengeance by conservatives and others on the right wing fringe.
MARTIN DREW June 7, 2011 at 01:44 pm
Michael Oniel ; ( mo neil) why continue using your stage name? Your so righteous in your dialog why not stand witjh your real name? ID yourself ; quit hiding like the scared illegal immigrants your so proud of ?
My immigrant grand patents did it the right way .. They checked in wirh USA government officials at Ellis Island when they came to the states ..and earned citizenship by takinf a citizen test etc... You DEFEND jumping fences ; running across borders ; hiding in trucks as IF it were ok... I travel a grest deal worldwide and ID is required of me at every border I cross legally . If you were raised the product of "illegal immigrants" then you are preconditioned to sympathize with them as the child of a " lawless" person. My grandparents are legal immigrants ; they did it right as lawful people ... I am the product of a good example . Your pandering illegal activity is part of your being ...it runs in your family . Your talented toungue will always be one of an illegal family who cheated thier way into our great country ; by your own admission . Enforce Immigration laws ; other countries do .. Save America : One job at a time .
MARTIN DREW June 7, 2011 at 01:59 pm
Ps : in keeping with the subject : ID is a good thing !
If your not running a criminal activity or fearful of being discovered by authorities ...good idea ... Italy is my prime example of Big Brother ... Its here too .. All in guise of national security ... Wait until the internet laws raise thier heads ... Big Brother is on the move .. Love it or leave or stand with your name and fight it ... Are you ready to DEFEND your beliefs with your life? A TRUE PATRIOT IS ! Ask around ... Things are a changing ... Are you ready?
Cathy June 7, 2011 at 02:15 pm
Dear Mo neill,
I am so sorry your dad broke the law for so many years in this great country of ours. My Mom and Dad are LEGAL immigrants to this country and would never have dreamed of coming here and breaking the law if they were not allowed in legally. Because your family broke the law and felt a lot of stress, tough. My family came here and aclimated to Americas climate, language, etc... They did not ask for things to be changed to make them more comfortable. As far as long Island being unable to do without illegal immigrants, you are wrong. Once the jobs open up that they are doing, maybe the young people in our community could work. Did you see in yesterdays Newsday, how many high school and college kids can't find work? I know you are going to say, American kids won't do that work, but I think you are wrong. I myself scooped dog poop at a kennel everyday while in high school. Why don't we just put America first right now for Americans. I understand that illegals want a better life for their families, but we have to worry about American families right now.
Mary Beth June 7, 2011 at 03:28 pm
Mo Neill, your rational posts will never fly with some people. Martin Drew just wrote a post about "patriots" that sounds very much UN-like a true patriot and more like a domestic terrorist. His threats are not only over the top, but his extremism is frightening. As for folks like Cathy, they cannot see beyond their own experiences and believe that their ideology is that of "real America", but, in fact, they represent a very small (but vocal) minority.
The story of your family IS the true American story and their ability to overcome the odds is what makes America great. Xenophobic isolationists have no real understanding of the history of our country. Good luck.
MARTIN DREW June 7, 2011 at 04:31 pm
Mary Beth - no last name given ... "you call me a dimestic terrorist ... What are you ... ? For starters; you too hide behind your name calling ... Without your name to back it up ??? A TRUE PATRIOT WILL DEFEND HIS / HER COUNTRY WITH THIER LIFE!
YOU obviously want others to do the DIRTY work of YOUR DEFENSE ... DONT worry people LIKE ME are everywhere : READY for CHANGE ... FIRST : Ill stick to ridding politicians who pander votes from "ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS" who DESERVE a bus ride to the border they jumped ! COME IN the front door IF they want assimulation INTO our great nation . BACK DOOR burgulars need SWIFT JUSTICE ... ask OUR LOCAL JUSTUCES ; WHY they too ; continue to ALLOW ; "ILLEGAL IMMIGRANTS" : to flourish among us .... There are laws ; NOT being enforced . Sorry no-namer .... Just saying what alot of people think as a committee of one for I am NOT ASHAMED to get real..... By name ... Opinion... etc .. Come out of your little sheltered closet and start beung real by standing with your name as you call others out .. Can't judt let you Liberals run MY LIFE!
MARTIN DREW June 7, 2011 at 05:27 pm
In Keeping to the subject : NO ID NO PHONE !
Great idea ... Accountability ... Lawful ... The REAL domestic terrorists are hoping it doesnt pass . The lawless : nameless : subverters ...
Untitled June 7, 2011 at 06:53 pm
when i saw this my first though was drug dealing, not immigrants. almost forgot what town we were in for a second

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